(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2008 North Amer. ING Round 3, Lin, Xuefen(1p) vs Koh, Juyong(8d) ]PW[Lin, Xuefen]PB[Koh, Juyong]WR[1p]BR[8d]DT[2008-08-06]EV[2008 North amer ING cup]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Terry Fung]C[USGO4 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 North American Ing Masters (NAIM) Tournament! Thirty-two top players from North American are competing in the 5-round tournament for $10,000 in prizes. The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 90 minutes basic time, 5 periods of 1 minute byo yomi
]RE[B+7.00]
;B[cp]
;W[pd]
;B[qp]
;W[cd]
;B[ed]
;W[hd]
;B[jc]
;W[cg]
;B[df]
;W[cf]
;B[cc]
;W[bc]
;B[dd]
;W[be]
;B[hc]
;W[ep]
;B[eq]
;W[fq]
;B[dq]
;W[op]
;B[oq]
;W[nq]
;B[pq]
;W[fp]
;B[cn]
;W[np]
;B[qn]
;W[jp]
;B[qf]
;W[nc]
;B[id]C[gougou [1d\]: I feel after j16, black is quite happy
]
;W[qd]
;B[qi]
;W[om]
;B[ck]
;W[dp]
;B[cq]
;W[dl]
;B[cm]
;W[fm]C[USGO4 [-\]: moyo against terri
]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]
;B[or]
;W[lq]
;B[re]
;W[rd]
;B[cb]C[liut1rta [3d?\]: juyong is very good at reducing
liut1rta [3d?\]: and endgame
USGO4 [-\]: seems like yose starting?
liut1rta [3d?\]: lol, yeah
]
;W[oj]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: are all the groups safe?
TanGeng [1d?\]: is no one clearly ahead?
]
;B[jj]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: not too much fighting in this game
USGO4 [-\]: no
USGO4 [-\]: both players are happy with the position?
liut1rta [3d?\]: black probably more happy than white
USGO4 [-\]: i will k9 instead of k10
]
;W[jk]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah k10 is shallow
USGO4 [-\]: now the fighting starts
YangX [4d\]: yay~
TanGeng [1d?\]: what's the probabilty of a cross cut?
]
;B[kj]
;W[kk]C[USGO4 [-\]: none now
USGO4 [-\]: b thinks he had enough points with L10
liut1rta [3d?\]: he wants to form a wall as well
badukluv [2k\]: ^_^
]
;B[ij]C[liut1rta [3d?\]: interesting
badukluv [2k\]: we all love fight , fighter.
liut1rta [3d?\]: no fight
USGO4 [-\]: b is extra causion
]
;W[hl]
;B[lk]C[badukluv [2k\]: goody
USGO4 [-\]: guess w will cut
badukluv [2k\]: right
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah
badukluv [2k\]: in KGS , nobody promote peace
]
;W[ph]C[USGO4 [-\]: w preparing for the fight
liut1rta [3d?\]: i do
liut1rta [3d?\]: if my opponents die peacfully
TanGeng [1d?\]: I don't  know about blacks's wall though
]
;B[qh]
;W[lj]C[USGO4 [-\]: yes
USGO4 [-\]: do or die
gougou [1d\]: oh
]
;B[ik]
;W[il]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: 3 wide wall floating in the middle
]
;B[mj]
;W[li]
;B[ll]
;W[km]
;B[mi]
;W[lh]C[gougou [1d\]: ohoh
USGO4 [-\]: w could win the game here
gougou [1d\]: seems easy fight for white
USGO4 [-\]: yes, w is stronger in these areas
]
;B[nk]
;W[jh]C[USGO4 [-\]: h16 may come back to life
]
;B[hi]C[USGO4 [-\]: very critical now
TanGeng [1d?\]: ahh peace is overrated
]
;W[ok]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: so black has ~20 in the lower right
]
;B[mh]
;W[lf]
;B[lg]
;W[kg]
;B[mg]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: no
TanGeng [1d?\]: 15
]
;W[ke]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: 20 in the lower left
TanGeng [1d?\]: and about 20 in the upper middle
USGO4 [-\]: minus 5 for N12 group?
TanGeng [1d?\]: and what does the N12 and s11 group count as?
]
;B[og]
;W[ie]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: it's pretty strong right now
USGO4 [-\]: yes, but b spent 1 move 
USGO4 [-\]: p13
TanGeng [1d?\]: it's 8 right now
USGO4 [-\]: j10 group also about minus 5 points?
TanGeng [1d?\]: it's a real liability
USGO4 [-\]: or minus 10 points?
]
;B[lm]C[USGO4 [-\]: m7 weaken p7 group
TanGeng [1d?\]: this is most definitly mutual destruction
TanGeng [1d?\]: white will probably make 10 off of the j10
USGO4 [-\]: w would like to play r7 sooner
USGO4 [-\]: now it may be too late
USGO4 [-\]: b threaten L6 too
]
;W[po]
;B[kn]
;W[jd]
;B[ic]
;W[jm]C[USGO4 [-\]: L6 hurts w a lot
]
;B[qm]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah
TanGeng [1d?\]: now there's 20 in the lower right as well
USGO4 [-\]: what is the best way to attack H11?
larrymarx [6k\]: j11, then h10 h12
TanGeng [1d?\]: wow
USGO4 [-\]: and how to reduce the right side?
TanGeng [1d?\]: you'd get an immediate
TanGeng [1d?\]: l12, k11 j12 series
oldschools [6k\]: are 1ps stronger than 8dans?
oldschools [6k\]: seems pretty even
]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[rp]C[larrymarx [6k\]: oops
USGO4 [-\]: preparing for r8?
larrymarx [6k\]: I haven't been watching this game long and made a characteristically rash decision
]
;B[rn]C[USGO4 [-\]: b keeps s6 , but corner will suffer
TanGeng [1d?\]: umm
]
;W[rq]C[oldschools [6k\]: should he give corner?
]
;B[qr]
;W[pl]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: no black cannot give corner
USGO4 [-\]: no, just O1 and P1 
]
;B[gg]
;W[kc]
;B[kb]
;W[lc]
;B[qk]
;W[ge]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: and black gets the big point on the right
]
;B[fd]
;W[cj]C[USGO4 [-\]: leaning attack ?
USGO4 [-\]: on H11
]
;B[bk]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: i would have thought c11, but c10 works
USGO4 [-\]: w need to profit from H11 group
USGO4 [-\]: from c10 investment
w00t [2d\]: time to h12?
USGO4 [-\]: well, w need to try something there to get back into the game, i think
]
;W[rr]
;B[rs]
;W[ps]
;B[qs]
;W[ns]C[badukluv [2k\]: hho
USGO4 [-\]: big reduction of b's corner
]
;B[pr]
;W[pp]
;B[qq]
;W[ln]
;B[mn]
;W[lo]
;B[lb]
;W[mb]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]
;B[er]
;W[gs]
;B[mo]
;W[mp]
;B[bb]
;W[bj]
;B[dj]
;W[di]
;B[ei]
;W[dh]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: wow
USGO4 [-\]: seems both players are confident about their endgame
]
;B[ej]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: I came bac to this?
USGO4 [-\]: both side still has about 45 mins. left
]
;W[ab]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: 35 for white on the bottom
]
;B[sd]
;W[sc]
;B[se]C[Nick8a [2k\]: ha
]
;W[rc]C[Nick8a [2k\]: se says jigo
TanGeng [1d?\]: 15 for white on the top right
]
;B[mf]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: 10 on the left
TanGeng [1d?\]: 60 total?
Nick8a [2k\]: sure
USGO4 [-\]: is a9 consider to be w's priviledge?
USGO4 [-\]: looks like double sente?
Nick8a [2k\]: kinda sente but have to wait till its big enough
]
;W[le]C[Nick8a [2k\]: i think
Nick8a [2k\]: go w
USGO4 [-\]: yose is very difficult
USGO4 [-\]: even for pro.
w00t [2d\]: b 08?
]
;B[nl]C[USGO4 [-\]: good guess, w00t
w00t [2d\]: :)
]
;W[pm]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: b8 gote right now?
USGO4 [-\]: yes
USGO4 [-\]: a9 better than b8 in general
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah
USGO4 [-\]: for w
w00t [2d\]: b1 j13 nest, i guess
]
;B[kl]C[w00t [2d\]: next
]
;W[jl]
;B[ig]C[USGO4 [-\]: w00t is strong
w00t [2d\]: lucky again :)
USGO4 [-\]: sente
]
;W[ih]C[w00t [2d\]: k14
TanGeng [1d?\]: ahh and komi
USGO4 [-\]: will k14 works?
TanGeng [1d?\]: this game is maybe favoring black by a point or so
w00t [2d\]: seems so
TanGeng [1d?\]: k14?
TanGeng [1d?\]: j14?
w00t [2d\]: b k14, w k15
w00t [2d\]: if j14, b k15
]
;B[hg]
;W[if]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: it doesn't matter I think
w00t [2d\]: it matters a lot
TanGeng [1d?\]: actually it does
TanGeng [1d?\]: you can't let black get h14
gougou [1d\]: p1 very big
TanGeng [1d?\]: p1?
gougou [1d\]: huge
gougou [1d\]: probably biggest
TanGeng [1d?\]: doesn't do anything
]
;B[em]C[gougou [1d\]: oh ya
gougou [1d\]: haha
w00t [2d\]: its a gote move for b
w00t [2d\]: and w wont play it
gougou [1d\]: getting too late on atlantic coast
]
;W[el]C[USGO4 [-\]: b wants something better than e6?
]
;B[gm]C[USGO4 [-\]: wow
USGO4 [-\]: does it work?
Capsule [3d\]: beautiful move
w00t [2d\]: really?
]
;W[fl]C[Nick8a [2k\]: f8?
Nick8a [2k\]: beat me to it
USGO4 [-\]: w could not submit
USGO4 [-\]: or else a big lost
Nick8a [2k\]: yes big loss
w00t [2d\]: g7 helped w fix f8?
]
;B[fn]
;W[en]C[USGO4 [-\]: no turning back now
w00t [2d\]: unless something at g3
Nick8a [2k\]: w seems ok to me
Nick8a [2k\]: i think this battle will be the key to the game
USGO4 [-\]: b is counting on g8, h9 and L5, i guess
cloudy [4d\]: mingjiu lost last one by 1 or 2 pts?
USGO4 [-\]: after g5 or g6
Nick8a [2k\]: not sure it works though
USGO4 [-\]: big gamble of b?
w00t [2d\]: i thought mingjiu won
w00t [2d\]: i dont see anything for black here
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah I don't see it either
cloudy [4d\]: i meant the game Koh vs Jiang in Round 2
w00t [2d\]: ic
USGO4 [-\]: maybe g7 is only a bluff
cloudy [4d\]: you know Koh won by how many vs Jiang?
w00t [2d\]: i do not know
]
;B[hn]C[USGO4 [-\]: preparing for g8 now
USGO4 [-\]: g3 will be the point of b's gamble?
cloudy [4d\]: g5
w00t [2d\]: w f5
USGO4 [-\]: w's aji is really bad here
w00t [2d\]: f5 seems work
USGO4 [-\]: f5, g8, g9, h9 then where will w play?
w00t [2d\]: h7
w00t [2d\]: g6, then j6
USGO4 [-\]: then g6
w00t [2d\]: oh
USGO4 [-\]: k6 kills
w00t [2d\]: nw need k6
w00t [2d\]: then b can kill g9
USGO4 [-\]: yes
USGO4 [-\]: so f5 no good
]
;W[fo]C[USGO4 [-\]: maybe i was wrong
]
;B[gl]
;W[gk]C[w00t [2d\]: actually, w can g6
]
;B[hk]
;W[in]C[w00t [2d\]: wow
w00t [2d\]: savw a lib by not h7
w00t [2d\]: save*
USGO4 [-\]: yes, h7 can wait
chunga [8d\]: I think B has K7
chunga [8d\]: K6
w00t [2d\]: k6, k5
USGO4 [-\]: u mean k6 now?
chunga [8d\]: yes
w00t [2d\]: k6 seems work
]
;B[jn]
;W[jo]C[chunga [8d\]: I still think B could done better here
chunga [8d\]: H6 seems a mistake
]
;B[fk]
;W[ho]C[w00t [2d\]: ic
USGO4 [-\]: at least b gains here
]
;B[gj]C[chunga [8d\]: yes, a little
w00t [2d\]: well, time for me to rest, night
chunga [8d\]: I think B could finish this game
cloudy [4d\]: gote
]
;W[gn]
;B[hm]
;W[ko]
;B[aj]
;W[bh]C[USGO4 [-\]: b leading now?
]
;B[ne]
;W[nd]
;B[me]
;W[md]C[chunga [8d\]: close game
chunga [8d\]: but I would like to have B
USGO4 [-\]: chunga, can w a9 before b plays a10?
chunga [8d\]: I think W did't have a chance
USGO4 [-\]: so a18 bigger than a9?
chunga [8d\]: not sure, I didn't watch the whole game
chunga [8d\]: just got here
]
;B[ai]
;W[pg]
;B[pf]
;W[oh]
;B[oe]
;W[pj]
;B[qj]
;W[gd]
;B[gc]C[chunga [8d\]: I think B is leading around 10
chunga [8d\]: B's ending game is very strong
]
;W[eh]
;B[fh]
;W[cl]
;B[bl]
;W[dm]
;B[od]
;W[oc]
;B[de]C[USGO4 [-\]: hard to disagree with 8d
]
;W[ce]
;B[bi]
;W[ci]
;B[nh]
;W[ak]
;B[al]
;W[ah]
;B[ak]
;W[la]
;B[jb]C[cloudy [4d\]: a8? hehe
]
;W[dk]
;B[bm]C[cloudy [4d\]: a8 says i win
Shana [3d\]: what?
]
;W[nn]
;B[mm]C[chunga [8d\]: B clealy won 
Shana [3d\]: a8 says i want to capture a stone to save my 3 stones
chunga [8d\]: maybe at least 10 before komi
cloudy [4d\]: ok, shana
]
;W[ff]C[chunga [8d\]: I think it's around 4-5 points after Komi
cloudy [4d\]: without a8, w wins :)
USGO4 [-\]: 4 to 5 points is a big lead for 8d
]
;B[do]
;W[fg]
;B[hh]
;W[ek]
;B[fi]C[craig [4k\]: i'm not seeing.. why doesn't w need N1?
Raine: N1/P1 black lives.
copacetik [1k\]: cause black lives no matter what
craig [4k\]: ah, thanks
]
;W[jg]C[yoyoma [1d\]: quiz for you:   wN1, bP1, wT3, threat ko at T1.  black's move?
copacetik [1k\]: t1
yoyoma [1d\]: pft u knew already  :P
copacetik [1k\]: oh sorry, thought it was an open question
]
;B[dg]
;W[eg]C[yoyoma [1d\]: :D
charkysan [5k\]: i just got here a few minutes ago.  is b alive in lower r corner?
dogbert [3d\]: Mr.Koh is on a roll
beer [1d\]: it's one of the basic things
NameHider [6k\]: yes
TanGeng [1d?\]: huh
TanGeng [1d?\]: wow that was a strange move
chunga [8d\]: Ju Yong is getting stronger, impressive
TanGeng [1d?\]: doesn't that exchange turn out worse for black by a point?
TanGeng [1d?\]: in this case the k14 point
henhen2nd [8k\]: b win
TanGeng [1d?\]: oh well black wins
craig [4k\]: by a bout 5?
euro15k [9k\]: b is winning right?
USGO4 [-\]: yes, b won
TanGeng [1d?\]: hmm well black can gain that point back in gote of course
TanGeng [1d?\]: white resigned?
henhen2nd [8k\]: look how small white's territory is.
henhen2nd [8k\]: compared to blacks huge vast territory
TheVoid [4d\]: f6 onwards the sequence that won ?
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah
USGO4 [-\]: b won by 7
TanGeng [1d?\]: black ending in sente was key
zflyhorse [2k\]: game  over?
USGO4 [-\]: yes
charkysan [5k\]: if b t2 before w n1, b lives?
USGO4 [-\]: ok
zflyhorse [2k\]: sadly!!!!   for   lin
USGO4 [-\]: counting is done
euro15k [9k\]: ty for scribing!
USGO4 [-\]: b won by 7
cloudy [4d\]: Koh won two pro
USGO4 [-\]: or 7.5 in jap counting
USGO4 [-\]: Thanks for watching
brane [?\]: thx
cloudy [4d\]: after six rounds, how to continue?
cloudy [4d\]: top 4 semifinal?
brane [?\]: where i can check all the game results?
cloudy [4d\]: www.usgo.org
USGO4 [-\]: chk aga website
siegzorro [8k\]: chinese?
brane [?\]: thx, i did but 
USGO4 [-\]: ING round 4 will be 2 days later
USGO4 [-\]: cu all
krakengo [1d\]: this b is dangerous
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